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Sauron the Evil · Aug 24, 2006, 04:19 AM // 04:19

I've researched both types,but can't come to a conclusion of whether to go renewal or echo. Which is better and more used nowadays? Any insight would be appreciated.

LightningHell · Aug 24, 2006, 04:43 AM // 04:43

IMO, Renewal because you get Meteor Shower back in 15s. I don't like waiting for two minutes for that ele to get Meteor Shower back up.

daky · Aug 24, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47

renewal basically same thing as echo only quicker recharge. and to me quicker recharge means all the more dmg

Scourgey · Aug 24, 2006, 10:11 AM // 10:11

Echo is only better on skills with less than 15 second recharge over gylyph of renewal. I.e. you would be able to spam immolate or fireball a lot, then use echo.

You could use arcane echo and gylph of renewal for 3 meteor showers in a row!

Bez L · Aug 24, 2006, 11:18 AM // 11:18

Renewal is way better IMO..some people love mixing echo and archane echo, but simply GoR rules by far. You can use it every 10 (or is it 15?) seconds, you can use it before ANY spell. I use it before casting attunements in case they're stripped, if meteor shower is not right at the time us it with rodgorts, fireball etc.

As for the chaining three showers...isn't it better to have a shower available forever? with showers 6 sec cast time there's hardly much of a wait b4 you can glyph again.

Meteor shower every 20 seconds or three in a row every couple of minutes? hmm...

also makes the exhaustion much more bearable.

Ira Blinks · Aug 24, 2006, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by Scourgey

Echo is only better on skills with less than 15 second recharge over gylyph of renewal. I.e. you would be able to spam immolate or fireball a lot, then use echo.

QFT.

Quote:

You could use arcane echo and gylph of renewal for 3 meteor showers in a row!

that combo also involves glyph of sacrifice on last shower...
Anyway Im not a big fan of multiple MS simply because they dont do that much damage and you still stack with recharge after casting them. GoR alone is way more useable in the long run, plus its not an enchant and can not be stripped while you casting MS

Kenji Akatsuki · Aug 25, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

if im running ms spam, renewal definately, but echo only when im running energy management with rodgorts or ms

Shred Dread · Aug 26, 2006, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Use glyph of renewal, unless you want some other skill as your elite...in that case, use Arcane Echo.

zling · Aug 30, 2006, 09:49 AM // 09:49

just use arcane echo and get a good energy management elite such as ele attunement, combine with fire to get dual attuned and than you wont have energy problems while spamming your meteor showers and other fire spells...

LightningHell · Aug 30, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

You can't spam meteor showers with Arcane Echo...

squan · Sep 05, 2006, 09:58 AM // 09:58

i love renewal, btw i for example if you go to fow and bring renewal you can use essence bond on main tank, so you also have energy management.

Mouse at Large · Sep 05, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Personally, in PvE I'm running a dual attune setup and find I have few energy management problems with a full fire skillbar (inc MS, Rodgorts and Incendiary Bonds)+AoR for both the recovery and a cover enchant.

With a 20/20 +20 longer enchants, it sems to work fine for me. Sometimes I sub out AoR for a res sig, but that depends on the situation.

My advice would be to try them out and see what suits your playstyle.

Fluffyx · Sep 09, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Echo is an enchantment.
Can be stripped.
Can be interupted easier.
Has a long cooldown.

The upside is that it can copy ANY skill.

Renewal cannot be stripped.
It is harder to interupt
It has a shorter cooldown

The downside is that it does not copy every skill.

I used to always go with echo but i'm thinking renewal its better nowadays. Since you're not really needing the ability to copy any skill. Echo is still a powerful skill none the less.

S_Serpent · Sep 09, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scourgey

Echo is only better on skills with less than 15 second recharge over gylyph of renewal. I.e. you would be able to spam immolate or fireball a lot, then use echo.

You could use arcane echo and gylph of renewal for 3 meteor showers in a row!

lol, I so like to read this. I'll tell you can even throw 4 meteor showers and with some timing even 5 (but I'll let you figure it out

). And no, I'm not out off energy after those 5, I can keep it up for a while (to bad the exhaustion limits this

).
And no I'm not using Glyph of Sacriface in my build :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightinghell

You can't spam meteor showers with Arcane Echo...

Oh no? Try it and you'll be surprised, I was when I figured it out.

Maria Moon · Sep 09, 2006, 01:08 PM // 13:08

ok,...though glyph of renewal is bettet when it comes to spamming meteor, i dont cause only one or two people seemed to mention usage of other skills i can tell u know that the "average" foe hit with 2 meteor showers and then with a rodgarts invocation would be if not flat out dead in critical condition what i basically am trying to say is that though GoR can cast mutiple meteor showers faster u cant expect to go running around blasting everyone in sight with meteor shower.BUT i will admit that being able to cast multiple meteor shower quickly can be to a player "advantage" and yes it is not an enchantment so cannot be stripped,..but with arcane echo if u play your cards right u wont have much problem with people stripping ur enchant the whole time (tough it can happen)and id that does happen just cast metoer shower and use your other skill, after thats what they are there for.

But in the end it really comes down to your playing style and what u feel comforatble with and in the end as long as you kill the enemies effienctly really

HolyHawk · Sep 11, 2006, 04:53 AM // 04:53

I actually think that neither should be your choice. You get to do a bigger and constant dmg output using both attunements and spamming rodgort's invocation and fireball. I just pray for a faster recharge, while I keep using those. Honestely, I dont really see the ruckus over echo and renewal. Just my opinion =p

LightningHell · Sep 11, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by HolyHawk

I actually think that neither should be your choice. You get to do a bigger and constant dmg output using both attunements and spamming rodgort's invocation and fireball. I just pray for a faster recharge, while I keep using those. Honestely, I dont really see the ruckus over echo and renewal. Just my opinion =p

Because Elementalists are known Tyria-wide (and Cantha too) as the worst DPS profession anyway, and Meteor Shower has really nice knockdowns. :P

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Originally Posted by S_Serpent

Oh no? Try it and you'll be surprised, I was when I figured it out.

2 echos = you can use 3 Meteor Showers consecutively, then wait for around 44 seconds. Not exactly spamming.

Also, you can't really spam Meteor Shower due to exhaustion, long casts, and long recharge. Whether you're on Renewal or Echo.

Buns United · Sep 11, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

What's this all about anyway, ask yourself, seriously! It seems like elementalists in PvE have found two (only two) effective builds

amazingly people still concern about energy management in these builds.

If you'd want to try something entirely new.. try this:

Auspicious Incantation
Glyph of Renewal
Fire Attunement
Meteor Shower
Rodgort's Invocation
Arcane Echo

«Basicly Renewal on Meteor Shower, to gain back energy cast Arcane Echo; Rodgort's Invocation; Glyph of Renewal (cuts down AI recharge by 25secs); Auspicious Incantation and Rodgort's Invocation (echoed version).»

...anyway back to topic, in my opinion you should just figure what works best for you

Undressed · Sep 11, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

The idea of spamming "meteor shower" multiple times is absurd. I've never experienced any single area where "nuking" wasn't enough nor would I feel comfortable with loads of exhaustion. With 2 Eles, what more would you need? Seriously, I notice some Eles cast their showers several times in a row, then run up, stand in them, obviously having a deep sexual feeling.

Incendiary Bonds
Fireball
Invocation of Rodgort
Meteor Shower
Arcane Echo
Glyph of of Energy [E]
Fire Attunement
Rez Signet

works just fine and does enough damage.

Buns United · Sep 11, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undressed

The idea of spamming "meteor shower" multiple times is absurd. I've never experienced any single area where "nuking" wasn't enough nor would I feel comfortable with loads of exhaustion. With 2 Eles, what more would you need? Seriously, I notice some Eles cast their showers several times in a row, then run up, stand in them, obviously having a deep sexual feeling.

Incendiary Bonds
Fireball
Invocation of Rodgort
Meteor Shower
Arcane Echo
Glyph of of Energy [E]
Fire Attunement
Rez Signet

works just fine and does enough damage.

Bit high recharge costs though, seems as if you're either really afraid that mobs have Spirit of Equinox or just don't see that in order to do damage you need it spammable. Exhaustion goes back quick enough even with renewal Meteor Shower...

..Stupid thing is, the most usefull (to most people in PvE) fire elemental spell is meteor shower, don't think you'll want 60 second recharge on that.

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